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Wed 28 Apr, 2010 17:14
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I can't say that I am impervious to MMORPGs... WoW is quite fun. Smile
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So I've heard. My roomate plays it incessantly. I mostly boycott it because of how addictive it is.
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Fri 30 Apr, 2010 09:44
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It does not have to own your life, you know. It doesn't own mine. Just have fun with other things as well and you will be ok.
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Fri 30 Apr, 2010 11:06
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So I've heard. My roomate plays it incessantly. I mostly boycott it because of how addictive it is.

Like coffee? Wink (That's similar to my stance on caffeine in general.)

Everything is addictive to somebody. Food, drink, games, exercise, TV, smoking - addiction isn't caused by the thing; it's caused by the person. Self-control is one of those things that is almost completely obsolete now-a-days (it's also one of those things that distinguish the mature from the immature). Sometimes I think it's good to have a little caffeine just to make sure that I can not have some next time.
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Fri 30 Apr, 2010 12:24
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That's great, Sweetie... next week you will be taking heroine to make sure you are not addicted! Wink
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So I've heard. My roomate plays it incessantly. I mostly boycott it because of how addictive it is.

Like coffee? Wink (That's similar to my stance on caffeine in general.)

Everything is addictive to somebody. Food, drink, games, exercise, TV, smoking - addiction isn't caused by the thing; it's caused by the person. Self-control is one of those things that is almost completely obsolete now-a-days (it's also one of those things that distinguish the mature from the immature). Sometimes I think it's good to have a little caffeine just to make sure that I can not have some next time.


Probably not a bad plan.

Yeah, well, see, I know I'm already fairly predisposed to become sucked into games similar to WoW in immersiveness (see NWN, KOTORs (both), FFXII, and etc...). So yeah, I'm taking like an alcoholic to drink and attempting to stay away from WoW. Ironically, when it comes to some other things that seem to temp most people (drink, tobacco....), I have fairly strong self control.
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Fri 30 Apr, 2010 14:08
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I wouldn't encourage people to play WoW either (no matter how much I like it), especially the gaming types. It's easy to lose track of time. And added to that, it eats your money every month. lol

Sparty: If it doesn't even appeal to me, it's not a test of self-control. Wink The point stands that people (in general) don't exercise temperance in a whatever area they enjoy most. For me, that would be something like a good book. It's something I enjoy immensely, and, therefore, it's extraordinarily hard for me to do anything but finish an intriguing story once I'm into it.
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Fri 30 Apr, 2010 16:07
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I think we are tested on self-control enough without testing ourselves intentionaly. I know I sure am. lol.
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You keep going back to what wasn't the point. The point wasn't to test ourselves; the point was that most people, when tested, fail miserably. And in order to help with that, I made a suggestion: If you test yourself in a controlled environment of your own making, it is possible to build up your self-control so that when tested from the outside, it's easier. Like caffeine with me as opposed to reading.
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And so attempting to practice showing self-control using self-imposed methods in a controlled environment on things that do not matter that much to us is supposed to help us show self-control on things that really matter? Is this like a self-help type of thing? Meh... I don't know if I buy that... I don't think it would work for me at any rate. The lack of self-control is, in actuality a moral short-coming... and we need God's help for those.
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Sun 02 May, 2010 17:43
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True, true. However, there are always steps we can take on the human side of things. For example, if you're going to run a race, it would be beneficial to start running every day. Obviously, you're in a controlled environment and you'll only run as far/long as you think you can (or as you make yourself), but it still helps when you enter the race if you've prepared. And it's still just as much up to God whether or not you win the race, or even finish the race, or injure yourself.
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Mon 03 May, 2010 13:33
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Yes indeed... However I would challenge the similarities of running a race and being tempted to not show self-control. Self-control is a moral thing... running a race is a physical thing. We need endurance for both things... but our endurance comes from different sources. Physical endurance comes from physical training... and we do that with drills, practice, weight-lifting, etc... Moral endurance comes from growing closer and closer in your walk with the Lord. An ACTUAL temptation comes at you completely different than one that you created in a controlled environment (for obvious reasons). Running a race is... running a race. Controlled or not, you still have only the worries in a live race that you have in practice by yourself - the only exception would be nerves. Anyway... I still hold that inflicting temptation on yourself in a controlled environment is not an effective way to get better at dealing with the actual thing. At least... not for me.
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